To whoever is a member of the fan club, did you get the xmas single? Anyone care to fill me in on what it's like? Jeff's art? Etc... I was to late to subscribe... therefore I won't get the goodie.
You still haven't received it???? Tomorrow's May 1st! How in hell? Do you know the reasons as for why it's so late? They could have taken my application then... since I applied early December. I knew it was late but I wanted to take the chance to get the 2003 xmas single.
Anyway, glad to see that you're still on this board, as for myself, I never bookmarked the message board itself, so I was unable to log on for a month and a half. Sarah gave me the link on the old CRB site a couple of days ago. I wonder who else is in the same situation as I was??
I received my Ten Club single/newsletter package no less than two days ago. I have only been a 10C member for three years (today's my anniversary, now that I think about it... Go figure!). The Xmas single was late in '01 (People were receiving it in late January, into mid-February) and last year (received in February), and it was also a little late in 1999 (arriving in Jan. '00). To the best of my recollection, it wasn't late in 2000, although I stand to be corrected on that since I wasn't a member then. Anyhow, this seems to be the latest people have ever received the Xmas single, and I can't even figure out what their "method" has been in terms of distributing them this year... They don't seem to be arriving to certain places in any type of order. I don't know if the fact that everything's bulk mailed makes a difference, or what the reasoning behind this is. Anyhow, I digress...
*SPOILERS BELOW*
The two songs on the single are "Reach Down" (performed with Chris Cornell) and "I Believe In Miracles", both from the Santa Barbara benefit concert in Oct. The single is a 10", which is larger than the 7" they've typically sent out (I would guess this is due to the length of "Reach Down", which I think runs between 10-12 min.)
Rather than describe the art, here are some photos I found on an outside website:
Anyone care to play the "Interpret the Artwork" game? IMHO, what's being depicted is a kid -- also shown on the back as the little skateboarder flipping the bird -- fleeing home, probably because of shoddy parenting (as depicted by the cover art with the stereotypical slob/"angry dad" with the wifebeater, beer can, etc.). Just my two cents. What do you guys think?
Wow!!! Thanks Sarah! Aaarrrghhh! I wish I had subscribe earlier... Yadyyadiata... Hehehehe! And on a ten inches to top it all. Can you play vinyls?
As for the interpretation, I do admit that it all sounds dead on. Jeff has often talked about relationships, and of every kind in a bunch of articles. Not to mention the songs he's written on the subject, the ones that work, or seem to be as in "Other Side" and those that don't, as in "My Only Foe". He's fascinated with the length of his parents relationship and seems to be fascinated by his own too. Relationships seem to be of major importance in his life. He's also made comments quite often about the relationships within the band itself. But he aslo mentionned here and there in different ways that he's got a temper. I guess he must have struggled a bit to make things work for himself considering his "short fuse". Like the story behind "Brother" or his trying to comes to term with it when writting "My Only Foe" for example.
Because of this, it makes me wonder about the reasons why he and Robbie split. I remember Jeff talking about 3F being the "mistress" that he was going to leave behind to go back to the "wife" that is Pearl Jam, that was in an MTV interview in 2000 if I remember correctly. It felt really weird to hear him say that, cause I've never imagined him being rude on camera. Maybe they had a fight just previous to getting on camera, who knows. I've been in a good number of bands and sometimes, ... well, band members can be ...not exactly delicate, or sometimes downright dumb. I had my fare share of duhs! with them.
3F is on my top list and I'm sad that we won't ever hear anything coming from them again. I love Richard's drumming too. They had a very personal and damn good overall sound.
But Jeff's drawing depict a generalized "illness" (for lack of better) among men in the wide world. There's a big bunch of them that want relationships very badly but yet, can't grasp at the idea that the woman they love ain't mama and won't put up with the **** they make them go through. It's quite a short stence I'm making here, this topic deserves to be elaborated, but I won't do it here. Just to say, it's highly interesting that this drawing (observation) comes from a man and is put to the eye of the public.
Compliments again, Mr. Ament. And many thanks to you Sarah for sharing your little treasure with me (us).
Hi monoxyde! You're welcome for the info about the single. The photographs weren't my doing, so I can't take credit for them -- therefore, how much of "my" little treasure I shared is debatable! Glad I could provide a little information, though. To answer your question, no, I can't play vinyl since I don't own a turntable. But even if I did, I probably wouldn't drop the needle on any of the Xmas singles anyway. I'd fear scratching them, and really, I just enjoy owning them as collector's items or "gifts from the band" (for lack of a better way of putting it). I've only taken each record out of its sleeve once and try to keep them in the best condition I can. Similarly, although I dig out the newsletters more than I do the records, I still try to treat them delicately and do my best not to damage them.
Regarding the other issues discussed in the thread, I'm honestly on my way out the door right now, otherwise I would discuss them here. Unfortunately, I'm short on time at this exact moment, so forgive me for returning to the topic later. Thanks and sorry!
Hola monoxyde! I promised I'd get back to this thread at some point, so here goes nothin'...! (Please note that I'm not trying to consciously break down your post point-by-point or argue with you in any way)
I may have mentioned this in a thread long ago, but although I agree in principle that Jeff does seem to have a bit of a temper, I personally find the words "short fuse" and maybe even "temper" to imply a much more heated, and violent disposition, which I don't think he possesses at all (or if he did possess anything close to that at some point, I no longer think that aspect of his personality has the "edge" it once did). I think the man himself may have said it best in the Lost Dog liners: "passive aggressive rage". I think he's a passionate guy with a stubborn streak, and as the Board as a group has discussed a couple of times, I think he's certainly had his moments where he's been a little big for his britches, or a little too stubborn or tempermental. I also recall a quote from a Bass Player feature in which Jeff (in reference to the creation of "Jeremy") said something to the effect of: "Usually, if something doesn't work the first time, I just say '**** it,'"... I suppose there's that element to his "temper" as well. But on the whole, I think he's no more easily frustrated than any other typical human being. We all have our flaws; plus, Jeff is also someone with a deep artistic temperment and creative side -- and without wanting to paint a group of people with one brush (no pun intended!), I think it's pretty fair to say that creative people tend to feel very deeply, take things very personally, and become very protective of their art and their ability to express themselves. Further, we must also take into account that Jeff's likely got a highly-developed competitive side, hence the years of "serious" and recreational athletics all the way to the admission that he and Stone have often "competed" within bands (ie. One completes a song, the other feels he has to.)
So, to swing this back around to the "relationships" angle, I totally agree that "relationships" are definitely some sort of barometer through which Jeff seems to be perceive the world, especially as of late. Throughout the Riot Act release and ensuing summer tour, whenever Jeff was interviewed, he'd always make reference to how glad he was that Pearl Jam was communicating and enjoying one another's company, and had worked through all of their old intraband tensions. I have to say that every time he mentioned that sort of thing whether implicitly discussing PJ or in general, I couldn't help but think that he was also making a covert reference to how he'd worked through some relationship(s) in his personal life. And as I said once upon a time on this Forum in another thread, it seems like both professionally within PJ and personally, he really has come to an excellent point where (to paraphrase JA himself), "you get through that difficult phase and it's even better than the honeymoon period!". I commend him for that and am happy as hell for him...
I think a lot of his growth in that regard came via his work with Three Fish, both because the band gave him a creative outlet at the time when he was fairly disenchanted with the Pearl Jam experience and because, as you mentioned, he seemed to be exorcising a lot of personal things within the music and in his man-to-man conversations with his 3F bandmates. (If you've read a good chunk of Three Fish interviews, I'm sure you know what I'm talking about). In that sense, I will certainly miss 3F a lot, if indeed that band -- and his friendship with Robbi -- has completely dissolved. But then again, perhaps this is all just their "difficult phase", and Jeff's words will be prophetic and we'll one day have another record and whatever the hell is happening between JA and RR will resolve itself positively and fruitfully.
Now, I have to admit I'm not familiar with this interview you speak of... I can think of two interviews I've seen that are very close to the one you describe: First is an interview Three Fish did on MuchMusic (Canadian MTV equivalent) in the summer of '96, in which Jeff kind of laughs and says "I'm concentrating on my mistress here (meaning 3F) and then I'll go back to my wife (PJ)", but I think in that case, he was only referring to how he was splitting time between the two projects, and also during 3F's heyday, he and Robbi would frequently use the "other woman"/"mistress" reference to describe Three Fish in relation to their main bands. The other interview I'm thinking of is an MTV one from around the release of PJ's Binaural, wherein Jeff and Stone are discussing side projects and Jeff says that he hasn't spoken to the 3F guys in six months -- which I have to say totally surprised me at the time. But, I can't remember any instance in which Jeff ever outright said he was "leaving behind" Three Fish completely or a time when he used the "mistress" analogy in a degrading way.
Finally, if I may again pick up the topical thread re: relationships, I agree with you that duration of relationships seems to be a huge thing with Jeff. One quote from a 2000 Chicago newspaper interview comes to mind immediately. The interviewer must've asked something about PJ's longevity, and Jeff's answer is "My life has been a series of shorter relationships, whether it's with business or love. So to sustain something and work through that period where you're questioning everything is kind of big." When I first read that interview, that comment seems totally out of nowhere, and although the latter part of it (re: "working through the period where you're questioning everything") is now a very typical Jeff answer, the bit about the length of his relationships, still to me seems like a very "loaded" quote that still makes me scratch my head. And like you said, there's the comment about the length of his parents' relationship, some similar references to years and longevity in his little contribution to PJ's post-tour Fan Club newsletter, and so on and so forth. He really does seem to quantify his relationships a lot in that sense.
With regards to your last paragraph about men in general, I agree with you in principle for the most part, though without getting into any more of a massive philosophical discussion, I will say that women have some "same yet different" tendencies when it comes to forging and functioning within relationships with men. But to again whittle this down to Jeff content, I think for all his admitted foibles in navigating his relationships, Jeff does seem to have a great grasp on how men tend to struggle with those types of issues. To be honest, even beyond Pearl Jam's longstanding feminist (or at the very least, greatly "pro-woman" stance), I've always been very impressed by Jeff's ability to seemingly admit the flaws of his own gender. Again, if you read a lot of Three Fish interviews, he flat-out says that he believes men are far too guarded in relationships and don't give enough of themselves; he makes allusions within the songs and in interviews to having been that way himself (as referred to above) and Robbi makes the occasional comments about how he and Jeff would have tremendous conversations about their tribulations within romantic relationships and how they wanted to improve themselves as communicators and being (in Robb's words) "a nourishing ally to a woman."
Okay, I feel I'm no longer "getting anywhere" so I'll quit henpecking the topic to death! Sorry about the length of the post, especially if it made little or no sense!